Subject: Re: [TS] New poll for thoughtstream
From: Jack Park (jackpark@verticalnet.com)
Date: Tue Aug 01 2000 - 14:45:22 EDT
Not sure my comments will be well received, but I'd be inclined to do a Java
port that would run completely cross platform. At this web site:
http://lynx.eaze.net/~pdkb/web/jack_gui.jpg
is a screen shot of an open source project I built for building topic maps.
I used GraphMaker for the graphics editor, and Jext for the text editor. In
fact, the XML displayed in the text editor was constructed by the copy
command at the graph editor.
Jext is really nifty because it lets you put templates into a menu. It came
with Java, HTML, and a bunch of other templates. I took them out and put
DocBook, and a draft of the XTM topic maps tags in. You can copy and paste
between the two editors. I would think this project, if given some synch
code for palms would be quite useful, once some XML dialect is invented to
handle TS structures.
Cheers
Jack Park
From: Ben Darnell <ben@thoughtstream.org>
> The poll is still open, but I'll go ahead and make some comments on the
> results so far:
>
> * PalmOS: 14
>
> No surprise here. I've got some ideas for the Palm version, possibly
> including beefing up LinkMaster for better integration with other apps.
>
> * Windows: 13
>
> Currently, I still plan to use wxPython for a cross-platform desktop
> port. This means that TS won't integrate quite as well with other apps
> as a native app would, although I don't think that'll be significant.
> If anyone can think of a specific benefit from this integration that
> can't be achieved through a cross-platform toolkit, let me know.
>
> * Linux/Gnome: 11
> * Linux/KDE: 5
> * Linux/Other: 2
>
> The above question about the benefits of integration applies to Gnome
> and KDE as well. wxPython produces desktop-neutral apps (slightly
> biased towards Gnome because it is built on top of GTK). I use Gnome,
> so any desktop-specific stuff would be aimed in that direction, although
> I don't know how much can be done from a wxWin app.
>
> * Linux/Text: 3
>
> There will definitely be a text-mode interface; hopefully something more
> user-friendly than just a python prompt ;-). This isn't going to be a
> high priority, since lynx/w3m and the web version should work together
> nicely.
>
> * Mac: 5
>
> I don't have a Mac, so I can't work on this, but wxPython is being
> ported to the Mac, so when that's done it should be relatively simple to
> port TS.
>
> * BeOS: 1
>
> This one's not likely in the near future, as the BeOS port of wxWindows
> is still in the planning stages (although the BeOS port of GTK seems to
> be coming along nicely; perhaps that could be used)
>
> * WinCE: 1
>
> Not gonna happen. One handheld port is enough for me, although if
> anyone else wants to do this, they're welcome to try.
>
> * Web/CGI: 6
> * Web/Zope: 3
>
> This is one of the main questions I wanted to settle with this poll. I
> see that there is interest in keeping TS free from entanglements with
> Zope, and I tend to agree. The problem with straight CGI is that it's
> slow - over half a second to start up python and import
> thoughtstream.cgi_app (this could be improved by using fewer modules,
> i.e. putting more stuff in a single file, but it's still pretty bad).
> Something like mod-python is necessary for decent performance, but
> mod-python doesn't work with MySQLdb. Another option is to just have a
> Python HTTP server listening on an alternate port (although this has
> most of the same problems as Zope)
>
> As a more general issue, how can ThoughtStream data be shared between
> multiple processes (e.g. a GUI app and a Palm conduit)? CORBA/COM is
> one way, but I don't know of any way to do this in a cross-platform way.
> Putting all the data in a (e.g.) MySQL database should work, although it
> would leave more work to the clients and I'm not sure how well locking
> would work. A third option is to go through the aforementioned Python
> HTTP server. I don't want users to have to start up a "ThoughtStream
> daemon" manually (although they should have the option); clients should
> do so automatically.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Ben
>
>
> --
> Ben Darnell ben@thoughtstream.org
> http://thoughtstream.org
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>
>
>
>
>
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